T3RDM0091 - Rude Awakening - Lecture on progress

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Discogs or other URL: http://www.discogs.com/Rude-Awakening-Lecture-On-Progress/release/604996
Catalog number: T3RDM0091
Year: 2006
Track
"[B1] Rude Awakening - False sense of security"
from
"Rude_Awakening-Lecture_On_Progress-(T3RDM0091)-Vinyl-2006-PDB"
has a funny glitch ( at least the version I found in the TTM label pack ).
The turntable suddenly lost power during recording for an unknown reason @ 00:38. The person who was ripping just started the track from the beginning but forgot to cut off the "false start" before compiling.

This is also the reason why the track is 06:09 instead of 05:15 on Discogs ( vinyl ).
I assume this is a release-based issue ( not an error made during compiling the big TTM label pack ) so my question is if someone might have this track ( or even better the whole release ) from any other scene/non-scene?

Please don't point me to "Rude_Awakening-Forward_Observer-(T3RDM0050)-CD-FLAC-2005-AUDIO" since those tracks are NOT full length in my eyes ( fading out of previous track is hearable when next track starts ).
Besides I have this CD myself so I checked first before making this request, otherwise I would not be making it after all :D

I need either ( and preferably in this order ):
1) WEB ( only when full release )
2) (fixed) vinyl ( track [B1] or full release )

Thanks in advance.

7 Comments

#1Anonymous2015-12-06 11:12

Sfv ok, mp3 files' CRC match sfv, so it's PDB's fault/bad rip that looks like few ppl bothered to actually listen or officially report about this issue. And like you wrote first ~47 secs of PDB's release is just a leftover from previous fail attempt to rip the vinyl, it duplicates the track's following ~35 secs.
All WEB shop versions list this track /w 5:22 length so you can just remove these ~47 secs of the vinyl rip's "false start" (either through any sound editor but then you'll have to store it in lossless to avoid mp3-->mp3 re-encoding or use dedicated software like mp3DirectCut). The track's audio spectrum from Google Play WEB looks like this:
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If you cut 47,021 secs from the vinyl rip and amplify WEB by +3db you'll get pretty close waveforms:
screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/153277
CD version of T3RDM0050 has a bit different waveform + generally overamplified (+6dB vs. WEB), misses just a fraction of nigh-silence in the beginning and just a tiny bit cut in the end. The album's WEB version has the same tracks as WEB singles (same length, same mastering /w low volume but w/o clipping).
That's just to clarify differences between the track different versions, so it's only regular "I want it for free" part of the request left to fill.

#2rUsHnUt2015-12-07 23:41

I listen to all stuff I download. Never time enough ^^
Also the reason why I often report malfunctioning/erroneous tracks.

Thanks for the info about mp3DirectCut. I'll give it a try.
Not very keen on keeping lossless tracks that actualy has MP3 quality... just eats up space.

Can I also change gain with mp3DirectCut?
Or is there any other program available that can level up amplitude & save it without going through the encoding/re-encoding process?
In other words, no software like MP3Gain or anything of that kind; that's just for playback.

If I sounded like a greedy person, I was just curious ;-)
Since TTM is a well known label, I just found it hard to believe that a release from 2006 never got reported so a REPACK could have been done or a PROPER by another scene group.

Yeah, I could have checked srrdb first but there's always a chance someone might have a personal rip stored somewhere.

#3Anonymous2015-12-08 09:47

Well, traditional tool for the task of just applying gain to mp3 files (w/o mp3-->mp3 re-encoding) is "MP3Gain". Though its build-in peak level analyzer is really fucked up, default auto-applying gain mode either don't change anything at all or applies negative gain where simple task of normalization calls for amplification :S So I ended up using it through console command:
mp3gain.exe /g ("gain level", as integer) /s i (filename).mp3
Though there seems to be a limitation for this kind of lossless mp3-->mp3 gain application, this "gain level" goes up or down strictly in 1,5 dB increments ("/g 1" = +1,5 dB; "/g -1" = -1,5 dB; "/g 2" = +3 dB; "/g 3" = +4,5 dB; etc). Additional "/s i" switch is there so MP3Gain would use usual ID3v2 tag, by default it writes additional APE tag (that almost noone uses for mp3s) to store its analysis/undo gain data.
Just as if you can see a tag called "MP3GAIN_UNDO" within mp3 file and you are not quite satisfied with the gain changes someone did with the original/source file then you can revert the changes back through "mp3gain.exe /u (filename).mp3" command (if this tag is stored as default APE tag) or "mp3gain.exe /u /s i (filename).mp3" (if it was "force"-written as ID3v2 tag).
Now about "mp3DirectCut" - sometimes I use it to split mp3 CD images into separate tracks by cue timings but yes, it can also normalize (same +/- 1,5 dB "steps" limitation, also this one's gain analyzer looks like working properly) and perform more advanced tuning of gain w/o re-encoding. The only disadvantage vs. MP3Gain would be no undo info is written as mp3 tag + looks like it strips some Lame header data in the process (e.g. can't see "Encoding settings" string in MediaInfo in new mp3 created after making changes in mp3DirectCut).
About proper/repack scene vinyl rip - no, alternative rip can easily never get scene-released, especially if PDB's one wasn't properly reported/nuked via official scene procedures. Ofc T3RDM is one of major hardcore (techno) label but still it can easily be overlooked or considered not quite worth messing with (it's not some WEB, getting proper vinyl rip is not a too trivial task + requires some extra counter-dupe explanations, probably inspiring some shittalk from original rip releaser etc.) with all the rest of the stuff released by scene groups like every minute or so.

#4rUsHnUt2015-12-08 14:45

Thanks again for the detailed description about this matter.
I always appreciate people who give such answers rather then simply, for example: "You must use mp3DirectCut."

I just downloaded mp3DirectCut. The extracting could not be done automatically. I had to right-click and choose "extract Here" to properly install.
This program is indeed handy for cutting, no quality loss whatsoever.
No need to change gain for this track though but I'll keep in mind this is also an option with this software.

About the scene stuff: I'm still learning :P
Found this http://www.douban.com/note/324364182/
Damn!, all these rules :S

Can for instance a scene group still report this after all those years?

Anyway, for those interested. Here's the fixed track: https://1fichier.com/?m8p095mvph

PS: Sorry for self-filling my request :D

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#5Vitamano2015-12-08 16:22

> Can for instance a scene group still report this after all those years?
They can ofc though I guess it's considered as sorta rude/counter-productive if the group who reports can't offer their own rip as a replacement. This sort of minor/easily fixable flaw in just 1 release's track doesn't require re-ripping whole vinyl all over again, ideally there should be just trackfix and no other group than PDB can "legally" release it. It'd be considered release stealing if other group just retagged PDB's 3 tracks that are ok + cut this one.
HB lately "necroreleased" some older T3RDM releases as WEBs and it's much more likely that this one will also be eventually released as such (esp. since it's at Google Play = very cheap/for free), not as another vinyl rip.

#6rUsHnUt2015-12-08 21:54

Yeah, I've seen a lot of them lately at 1gabba.
When this particular one gets out in WEB, the vinyl edition will be deleted from my collection.

My opinion on this matter is that I just can't understand, being part of a scene group & simply not having the concentration to pre-evaluate what you have ripped when it comes to vinyl.
I mean, the person who ripped this was fully aware of the fact the turntable lost power, forcing him/her to restart and putting the needle back at the beginning of the track.
Then you simply know/remember you gotta cut the first part out if you didn't interrupted the recording...

I know, we are people, and nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes.
A pity nobody reported this back in the days. Like you said, trackfix by original group would have been the most easy option.

Don't get me wrong, my heart goes out to all sceners & non-sceners for providing us with all this music.
What they have done so far is simply beyond words!

I just don't like half work :P
If I would be part of a scene group, every single track from a vinyl rip would be pre-listened-before-release to spot any defects that can be solved by myself ( not due to miss-pressing ).
Needle skips cause of bad condition are mostly the same on a second/third/... rip and therefore unfixable.

These days with WEB being the majority/standard in audio. Pre-listening isn't required as much since less errors occur audio wise.
It's either the mistake of the label/artist ( bad mastering, low volume like a couple of webbies from MOH as example ), WEB shops ( wrong info/version of tracks ) or, on a non audio wise base, the scene group ( for example: supplying bad information about the tracks => http://1gabba.net/node/22915 )
But I don't think they take the time to listen before they release it, it would just consume too much of their free time.
I would be a bad scener rofl :D

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